Grady Tate: I Listened to Sound

1979_md_cover_grady_tateSKF NOTE: Revisiting a 1979 interview with drummer extraordinaire Grady Tate this morning. At first I am surprised to read Grady is not the product of a “formal” drum education. And as I read, I’m remembering my introduction to Grady Tate on Stan Getz‘s classic Sweet Rain album.

At one point, interviewer Cheech Iero, who was Modern Drummer‘s Associate Editor at thie time, asks Grady who he listened to in his formative years. Grady says he listened to music on the radio and didn’t know which drummers he was listening to. Radio announcers, Mr. Tate tells Cheech Iero, “didn’t say the drummer was Buddy Rich or Shadow Wilson. I listened to sound for the …first 15, 16, 17 years of my life.”

Grady Tate listened to sound! He learned to read by asking other muscians how certain notated phrases sound. Of course! Enjoy this interview excerpt.

Cheech Iero: In your early days in North Carolina did you study drums with a private teacher?

Grady Tate: No. I just picked it up. I’ve been playing drums since about age five.

CI: What about reading? Did you just pick that up also?

GT: My first contact with reading was in high school. That was in the high school band. There wasn’t anyone to teach percussion because there were no black percussionists in the area. And the black drummers who were there had the same fate I faced. They didn’t know what they were doing.

When I got to high school, fortunately, I had a knack for playing from hand-to-hand. If I wanted to do something it was easier for me to play it with alternate sticking than to punctuate with one hand and play the balance of the figure with the other. So I just naturally played almost correctly.

In high school, I ran into a reading problem and asked a trumpet player, “How does this figure go? What does this sound like?” Once they hummed it to me I’d remember it. From then on, each time I saw it I’d know what it sounded like. That’s the way I learned to read. If I saw a figure and didn’t know what it was, I’d ask another musician. Each time they hummed it to me I’d catalog it. I read by remembering everything that I see.

I’ve never been involved in the 1 E AN DA’s, 2 E AN Da’s and what have you. I’ve never had to concentrate on reading while playing. I know what it sounds like before getting there. I don’t have to read it as such. I see it and play it.

That style has been it for me, because the reading doesn’t interfere with my playing.

CI: Do you feel you’ve missed something by not having that rudimental background?

GT: Of course. If I ever thought of becoming one of the world’s greatest drummers I realize that my lack of a rudimental background would be a drawback. But, I’ve never really been concerned about playing that much. I’m not a soloist. I would be very happy to never solo in my life.

When I play solos, I’m slightly inhibited. I realize just what it is that I can’t do. I’m basically a time player. I play time, colors, and play with my environment. I play whatever is called for at the time, as authentically as possible.

 

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Paul T. Riddle: I Think About Us Playing Live

SKF NOTE: A nice news story on The Marshall Tucker Band. Drummer Paul T. Riddle does a great job, in a short period of time, sharing stories about what made the MTB work.

For more information about Paul T. and the MTB, check out my full-length interview with Paul.

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Scott K Fish: Dave Tough Profile 1979

SKF NOTE: I wrote this Dave Tough profile for the January/February 1979 Modern Drummer as a freelance writer pre-internet. The piece includes several names of people and things Life Beyond the Cymbals readers might want to explore further. In the order in which they appear in Dave Tough’s profile, the names are:

Ralph Hadlock; Jazz Masters of the Twenties; Sid Catlett; Jo Jones; Chick Webb; Gene Krupa; George Wettling; The Austin High  Gang; New Orleans Rhythm Kings; King Oliver; Louis Armstrong; Warren “Baby” Dodds; Jimmy McPartland; Metronome; F. Scott Fitzgerald; Kenneth Rexroth; George T. Simon; Woody Herman; Ed Soph; Tommy Dorsey; Buddy Rich; Benny Goodman; Ralph Burns; Billy Bauer; Chubby Jackson; Arnold Shaw.

[SKF NOTE: 6/17/17 – Dave Tough’s full profile is now available on MD‘s Archive Page.]

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Barbara Borden: A Woman Drummer? Not an Issue

SKF NOTESome more worthwhile advice for drummers from my 1981 Modern Drummer interview with Barbara Borden of the jazz group Alive!. The interview back story is here.

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Scott K Fish: Do you feel that a woman considering a career in jazz or drumming should look at being a woman as a challenge?

Barbara Borden: The way I looked at drumming when I started to learn — I wanted to play drums! I didn’t even think about man, woman or any of that. I was a kid at the time.

I feel that if a person really wants to do something they’ll do it.

I mean, there’s a piano player from Europe. He’s 18-years old and he’s only a little over 3-feet tall. He had a disease that he was born with. He played with Charles Lloyd in San Francisco. His bones are very brittle. He’s had, like, 150 broken bones. [SKF NOTE: Barbara Borden is referring to Michel Petrucciani. A concert video of the Michel Petrucciani Trio with Steve Gadd is below.]

Now, you would think, “How could a person like this play the piano?” I mean, he could say, “Well, I’m only 3-feet tall. I can’t even reach the piano pedals.” Or he could say, “I want to play the piano” and invent ways to do it.

That’s being creative. Totally.

So for any women — or anybody — that is doing what’s not considered doing the norm for doing anything: just follow your heart. If you have a strong feeling about playing drums — do it! Sure, those things will come along that go with it. But you don’t have to let that stop you or stand in your way.

You have to learn how to deal with it in a way that makes you feel good and that doesn’t get in the way of the music.

SKF: Dreamers make the world go around, right?

BB: Mm hm. But also, dreamers that do their dreams. Action packed dreamers.

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Keith Richards Would Never Have Released ‘Satisfaction’

Keith Richards: The truth is if I’d had my way, [Satisfaction] would never have been released (laughs). We were recording in L.A. at the time at RCA and it just tripped off the end of my tongue, as it were, one night. We needed another track for the album so I threw it in as a filler. I mean, the song was basic as the hills and I thought the fuzz guitar thing was a bit of a gimmick. So when they said they wanted it as a single, I got up on my hind legs for the first time and say, NO WAY! I really hadn’t grasped what Mick and the band had done with it. You go through that all the time with tracks.

Source: Keith Richards: The Heart of the Stones, by Vic Garbarini, Musician December 1983.

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