I Didn’t Think of Roger Hawkins

Posted on May 22, 2021 by Scott K Fish
Roger Hawkins photo courtesy Drummerworld.

SKF NOTE: Reading “Muscle Shoals Sound Studio” by Carla Jean Whitley this week I am reminded of drummer Roger Hawkins’s great contribution to pop music. And I’m reminded of my failure to mention Hawkins in my “History of Rock Drumming.“

Here’s my post on what happened,

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SKF NOTE: Word of Roger Hawkins death brings to mind one of my more embarrassing and regretful moments at Modern Drummer magazine. I left Roger out of my History of Rock Drumming written for MD. When it was brought to my attention – I can’t recall exactly how or by whom – I dreaded having to apologize by phone to Roger.

But I knew apologizing by phone, since I couldn’t do so in person, was the right thing to do.

Roger Hawkins was as gracious to me as could be. I didn’t try explaining or justifying myself. The truth, I said, I simply didn’t think to include Roger.

Yes, I was well aware of – and loved – Roger’s playing. Even today, everytime a Muscle Shoals rhythm section song comes on the radio I realize how much I loved and was influenced by that music, including Roger’s drumming.

And on realizing I’d left Roger out of my History I was stunned and felt stupid, careless, awkward.

But, as I say, Roger was a real gentleman — which, after hearing several stories about Hakins, is who he was all the time.

One DrumForum.org member said he spent his whole life trying to be Roger Hawkins.

I’m sure he’s not the last drummer to take up that challenge.

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Toy Factory Project Live – ‘Take the Highway’

Posted on December 16, 2025 by Scott K Fish

SKF NOTE: Paul T. Riddle, co-founder/drummer and Grammy Award winner of the original Marshall Tucker Band (MTB), formed The Toy Factory Project in memory and celebration of MTB co-founder Toy Caldwell and his songs.

Paul is a longtime friend. Forty-five years ago he was my first feature interview as Modern Drummer magazine’s Managing Editor. We maintained our friendship from then on.

During our phone calls over the years I listened to Riddle talk about his dream of recording an album of Toy Caldwell’s songs. I knew when Paul was choosing musicians for his project, including Derek Trucks and Vince Gill.

Then, awhile ago, Paul told me his dream album was complete.

As far as I know, The Toy Factory Project album is still unreleased. But, finally, fans do have this one YouTube video of the band’s maiden voyage at the Telluride Bluegrass Festival in June 2025.

Here’s what I said about The Toy Factory Project in my first post about the band:

This is a band of giants honoring Caldwell’s music.

In addition to Riddle, The Toy Factory Project is:

Grammy nominated lead vocalist/guitarist Marcus King (The Marcus King Band)

Grammy winning bassist Oteil Burbridge (Dead & Company, The Allman Brothers Band, Oteil & Friends)

Lead vocals/guitarist Charlie Starr (Blackberry Smoke)

Keyboards/vocals Josh Shilling (Mountain Heart, Wynona Judd)

Violinist/Fiddler Billy Contreras (Lionel Hampton, George Jones, Zach Bryan, Ricky Skaggs, Bela Fleck)

I need to ask Paul Riddle about his Gretsch drumset. The drums sound great. Cymbals too. And Riddle sounds better than ever.

Also, I have seen one online announcement for The Toy Factory Project upcoming February 2026 performance at The Capitol Theater in Port Chester, NY.

Exciting music. Top musicianship.

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Mel Lewis’s Sage Health Advice

Posted on December 7, 2025 by Scott K Fish

SKF NOTE: Putting on a happy face on Day It-Seems-Like-Forever with (bronchitis)? Coughing until my middle-back hurts. Then coughing until my lower back hurts.

Whatever this is, it’s getting better. These last two days I slept through the night. Mucinex DM? Benadryl?

Robitussin Maximum Strength Nighttime Cough DM works best. 20 mL of the dark red liquid right before bed is the magic.

My spirit-mind-body doctor recommended “Throat Coat” tea. The original “Throat Coat” slippery elm tastes great, feels great on throat and chest, and causes a coughing “time out.”

Years ago, when I was 26 years old, the great drummer Mel Lewis told me, “If you have your health, you have everything.”

I thought, at the time, Mel’s advice was something old people say. (Mel was age 48.)

But the older I get, the more times I slip in-and-out of sickness, the wiser Mel’s words become.

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Journey Through Sound with Charli Persip

Posted on November 26, 2025 by Scott K Fish
Photo of Charli Perip from “The Jazz Soul of Porgy & Bess” album

SKF NOTE: This is post #2 of my life’s drumming milestones; revisiting drummers/recordings having a major impact on how I gauge drums, drummers, and drumming. Hearing these milestones appreciably broadened my drumming perspective.

Drummer Charli Persip, in the early 1980s, came by bus from NYC to visit with the editorial staff at Modern Drummer‘s Cedar Grove, NJ offices .

As MD‘s designated driver, I met Charli at the NJ bus stop, Then we drove in my car to the office.

During our ride I told Charli about my introduction to his drumming. It was “The Jazz Soul of Porgy and Bess” big band date with brilliant arrangements by Bill Potts. Charlie was among a big band of “A” jazzmen:

Alto Saxophone – Gene Quill, Phil Woods
Baritone Saxophone – Sol Schlinger
Bass – George Duvivier
Drums – Charlie Persip
Guitar – Herbie Powell
Piano – Bill Evans
Tenor Saxophone – Al Cohn, Zoot Sims
Trombone – Bob Brookmeyer, Earl Swope, Frank Rehak, Jimmy Cleveland, Rod Levitt
Trumpet – Art Farmer, Bernie Glow, Charlie Shavers, Harry Edison, Marky Markowitz

I was given my original album copy circa 1968 by neighbor Ed Mathews. Ed was then head A&R man at CBS records. I was about age 17. “Jazz Soul” was first released in (1959) on the United Artists label.

If I’m precise, the album’s opening track, “Summertime,” was my introduction to Charli Persip..

What an introduction!

An album photo shows Charli playing a four-piece Gretsch drumset; probably 9×13 and 16×16 toms, a 22″ bass drum, 5.5×14 snare, two cymbals, a hi-hat.

Listening to “Summertime” at 17 I was impressed with how confidently Persip navigates the chart. No hesitation. His time is impeccable. His comping and fills beautifully weave the chart together.

Bonus! Charl’s drums sounded so friggin’ good. Fat, open sounding toms. His crisp, medium tuned snare. And a killer bass drum. Plastic drum heads were available in 1959, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Charli was using calf heads.

My respect for Charli’s drumming on “Jazz Soul” went up several notches when he told me during our drive that he remembered the songs on “Jazz Soul” as first takes.

“Washington City Paper’s” Eddie Dean has an interesting and informative piece of the “Jazz Soul” recording sessions. Dean tells us the recording budget was tight- no overtime-and there were three rehearsals. Dean mentions one first take, and that all the band members were “first-class sight readers.”

So, Charli Persip’s memory of “Summertime” as a first take could be spot on.

There is one more Charli Persip cut on a different album among my milestones. I will write about it up the road.

But, Charli Persip on this date remains a favorite 57 years after hearing this album for the first time.

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Exploring Drumming Milestones: A Journey Through Sound

Posted on November 23, 2025 by Scott K Fish

SKF NOTE: I think a lot about drummers and drumming. Often when driving, but most any time I’m in my own head: grocery shopping, savoring the day’s first cup of hot black coffee, gathering pinecones and sticks from the lawn, snorkeling – anywhere really.

For example, yesterday I thought about completing the snares and snare throw-off work on my 1930’s metal Ludwig Universal Model 6.5×14 Snare Drum.

The overall state of drumming often comes to mind. Maybe I’m getting old, because I was moved by more drummers when I was younger, than I am now.

Why is that?

I think musician Robert Glasper nailed it in his November 9, 2025 Facebook post. Laying in bed rubbing his eyes, head propped up on a pillow, Glasper looks directly into his camera. Speaking to all musicians, including drummers, he says in part:

Y’all playing too m-f’in much. Too much. I’m exhausted. Everybody’s playing too much. Too choppy. Y’all ain’t even got no original sound.

Listen, everybody has chops. Everybody’s fast. What else do you have? No one gets hired ’cause they’re the fastest. You need more diversity in your playing. Make people feel good. That’s what separates the greatest from the not. Choices. Choices is everything.

Glasper’s musical Eureka! has me thinking of the drum tracks and drummers in my life who formed my conception, my view, of drums, drummers, and drumming.Many of them are not “choppy” or “fast.”

As long as I’m revisiting my drum milestones, why not write posts about them?

I remember the [drum] bug bit me in the drafting room at my grandparents’ Charles R. Fish Nurseries, listening to my Uncle Bob’s record of the Gene Krupa Quartet playing “China Boy.”

I was six-years old. The memories of standing in front of Uncle Bob’s record player, the black Verve label with silver lettering spinning around, especially Krupa’s press rolls, were captivating.

I wondered, “How does he do that?”

With the little I knew at age six about drumming, I imagined I was hearing Krupa playing single-stroke rolls (RLRLRLRL, etc.) at an ungodly tempo.

Holding a pair of Uncle Bob’s drumsticks I tried playing RLRL as fast as Krupa’s “China Boy” press rolls.

Of course, I failed, but Krupa on that “China Boy” track sparked my lifelong love of drums.

To this day I love listening to Krupa, especially his small group drumming, which was always swinging, dynamic, and melodic.

I leave you with this exact “China Boy” I heard at six-year old.

More drumming milestones ahead.

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New Sid Catlett with Louis 1948

Posted on October 24, 2025 by Scott K Fish

SKF NOTE: Now and then someone uncovers music gold: Reels of tapes containing magical music no one knew existed. Or if someone did know, they’ve either died or forgotten the music.

Recent examples, The John Coltrane Quartet’s “Both Directions at Once: The Lost Album” (2018). “The Thelonious Monk Quartet with John Coltrane at Carnegie Hall” (2005). Duke Ellington – The Complete Concert at Newport 1956 (1999).

On his Facebook page this week, Loren Schoenberg reposted a story of newly discovered tapes of Louis Armstrong and his All-Stars in concert (1948) with this headline: “NEW SID CATLETT WITH LOUIS!!!”

In part, here’s Loren’s post:

Ricky Riccardi

A PREVIOUSLY UNKNOWN LOUIS ARMSTRONG ALL STARS CONCERT HAS BEEN DISCOVERED AND IS COMING TO YOUTUBE! A good samaritan named Michael Lynch contacted me over the summer to let me know that he acquired eight (!) tapes of the All Stars performing in Minneapolis at two separate concerts, May 8 and 9, 1948.

Yes, you read that correctly. 1948. Louis Armstrong. Jack Teagarden. Earl “Fatha” Hines. Barney Bigard. Arvell Shaw. Velma Middleton. Big Sid Catlett. THE ALL STARS!

Thank you, Ricky Riccardi and Loren for bringing this to our attention.

Big Sid sounds great here. He’s playing, as always, is inventive, musical, and fun. When he was drumming Catlett always seemed to have fun.

And Catlett’s drums sound so good. Calf heads! Open drums. Often imitated, never equalled.

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