Roy Haynes Drum Clinic: ‘Nobody Teaches Like That’

SKF NOTE: This segment is from my interview with Roy Haynes at his home on November 15, 1978. According to my notes “It was raining, traffic was heavy, a chilly…evening, and I was nervous about meeting him. We had spoken on the phone a few times.

Roy Haynes is a clinician for the Ludwig Drum Company and he’s a favorite at Symposiums. He told me about his means of communicating to his audience, and a bit about what exactly goes on at a Roy Haynes drum clinic.

“People are hungry for the naturalness of music,” he explained. “There are some people coming up today that don’t even wanna hear words! They don’t even want to relate with havin’ to write something on the board. They want you to tell them and show them how to do this. There’s some clinics — the real ones — where they’d rather have you play than talk,” Haynes stressed. “There are also the other ones that are not real. They’d rather talk about drums rather than display it.”

Suppose Roy Haynes is giving a demonstration, and someone asks him what he just did. How does he explain the technique?

“You don’t have to give them a name for it. Whatever it was, you can show ’em. Everything don’t have a name. Especially if you’re creative. If you’re gonna play the same thing over and over again, and you gonna play only things you got a name for and that you know — you’re gonna be limited!

“But,” he continued, “if you’re gonna create while you even doing that — that’s gonna blow their mind! The real people. Even if they’re not real, they’re gonna feel so much in what you play that they gotta say, ‘Oh man! He’s incredible.’ They gotta, man.

“A lot of people fight the truth, and the truth will always outlive B.S. and lies. And when you display with creativity and emotion…. Hey, man!” Roy breaks out in a big smile.

“I’ll tell them [clinic attendees] right from the beginning, my classes are gonna be different from any other classes. They’re gonna be relaxed and we’re gonna get into the instrument.

“I let a lot of ’em come up and play. I had a thing where I was lettin’ ’em do four bars of silence and four bars of playing to see who could really feel it. And it took off into such a thing!

“Nobody teaches like that.

Roy Haynes with Stan Getz Quartet
Roy Haynes with Stan Getz Quartet

“‘Do four bars of silence,’ I’d say. First I’ll count it off for you so I know where the tempo is and everybody knows where the tempo is. And there’d be four bars of silence.

“That gets back to what I was saying before. Even if you have a few bars of silence, you still count that. And that’s my conception. What I just told you is a lesson in itself, man,” Roy said.

“I try to be truthful.” Roy continued. “I like to be able to look at my kids like this.” [SKF NOTE: Roy gives me a long, piercing stare, holding it as he continues speaking.] “I like to be able to look at anybody like that when I say somethin’.

“Stan Getz used to say I looked an audience dead in the eye. I say, ‘Well, how do you feel? How do you all feel out there?’

“Not sayin’ I’m the most truthful cat in the world,” Roy said. “I’m not saying that. But that’s the way I feel. And I feel good.”

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Freddie Gruber–Putting Quality American DW Drums on the Map

SKF NOTE: This interview clip is respected drum teacher, Freddie Gruber, telling me how he and Don Lombardi co-founded DW Drums.

In preparing remarks to go along with this excerpt I am disappointed to find Gruber’s name missing from the origin stories, written and video, on the DW website.

You will hear me ask Freddie, during our “Modern Drummer” interview, “Do you want to talk about DW? How they got rolling? And your involvement with that?”

Gruber’s answer is fully in sync with the origin stories on DW’s website. Except here, Freddie’s in the founding story. On the DW website he’s not. https://www.dwdrums.com/stories/founders-feed/

This excerpt is from audiocassette Side B of my “Modern Drummer” Freddie Gruber interview. We were at Buddy Rich’s NYC apartment kitchen table. Buddy was not home, but I was in awe at being so close to Buddy’s presence.

Gruber’s students include Neil Peart, Steve Smith, Dave Weckl, Vinnie Colaiuta…and DW Founder Don Lombardi.

Gruber, a product of post-World War 2 NYC, is known by his peers of that era as a visionary jazz drummer. Perhaps the best example is drummer Jim Chapin’s description of Gruber’s drumming circa 1949:

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Les DeMerle – Drum Tuning for All Occasions

SKF NOTE: Les DeMerle‘s feature interview appeared in the October 1984 “Modern Drummer.” DeMerle was, and still is, an interesting musician maintaining a unique balance between the business and artistic sides of drumming.

Digital media has no doubt changed the equation. How much, I don’t know. But pre-digital, drummers who excelled at the business of music, like DeMerle, were rare.

As a drummer, DeMerle played all styles very well. Swing, Bebop, and Fusion. Small group, big band, backing a singer–DeMerle is your guy.

At one point, I said to DeMerle, “It’s intriguing that you can remain so active in concerts, in teaching, in clinics, in seminars, in recordings, and in other areas of the music business–-like owning and operating your own night club-–and still grow on your instrument. How do you find the time to do all that?”

DeMerle said, “You have to make time for it. I openly admit that I’m totally dedicated to drumming and to music. Never in my life have I had to do anything other than play drums to make a living,” adding, “In other words, I keep enough things going so that if one falls through, the other one happens.”

I taped this interview in one of the worst environments for taping interviews: a packed noisy restaurant somewhere on Long Island, NY.

But I was able to adjust the sound so our voices are easily understood.

This is DeMerle explaining how he tunes his drums for different settings. Live settings, studio setting, mikes vs no mikes.

Visit DeMerle’s website today and you will see he still excels at performing and business. https://www.lesdemerle.com/

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Dave Weckl—Hand Technique (1983)

SKFNOTE – August 5, 1983 I interviewed 23-year old Dave Weckl in his Bridgeport, CT apartment.

In 1983, no one else at Modern Drummer thought Weckl warranted a feature interview. The feature interview I argued for became a much shorter “Up and Coming” profile.

However, I saved the interview transcription I typed of the full interview. It is available on my blog here: https://tinyurl.com/4w23vxm3

In this clip from that 1983 interview, Weckl is answering my question about his hand technique. The finger control method he learned from Jim Peterczak, and his use of both traditional and matched grip.

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Dave Weckl–The Spiritual Side of Life (1983)

SKF NOTE: This clip is from my 1983 interview with Dave Weckl for Modern Drummer. MD published a much shorter version of this interview in April 1984 as an “Up and Coming” profile of Weckl, which still holds up well. 

Weckl was age 23 when we met for this interview. He was living in Bridgeport, CT getting ready to go on tour with Simon and Garfunkel–arguably the first major gig that put Weckl on the map.

As of this writing, Weckl is age 66.

In this clip, following up on something Weckl said about leading a balanced life, I asked if Weckl thought about the spiritual side of life; if the spirituality at all informed his drumming.

This is Weckl’s answer 43 years ago. I don’t know how he would answer my question today.

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Dave Weckl—Approaching Time (1983)

SKF NOTE: I think his name is Chris. He was a young guy who called me from time-to-time, at Modern Drummer, full of enthusiasm about a local upstate New York drummer he said we should interview.

Chris was the only person in the world I heard talk about this local drummer.

This drummer’s only claim to fame was, Chris liked him and, according to Chris, this local drummer studied with Gary Chester. Oh, and the drummer consistently wowed patrons at a local nightclub.

Long story short: It was not long before this local drummer had landed a gig touring with Simon and Garfunkel. His name was Dave Weckl.

August 5, 1983, I did, indeed, interview Dave at his Bridgeport, CT apartment.

In this clip from my 1983 interview, Weckl is telling me about his interest in how other musicians approach time.

In 1983, no one else at MD thought Weckl warranted a feature interview. My Weckl feature interview was published in a much shortened “Up and Coming” profile.

However, my complete 1983 Dave Weckl transcript is available here: https://tinyurl.com/4w23vxm3

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