Mickey Hart on Secret to Playing Well with Other Drummers

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Grateful Dead’s Mickey Hart on Returning to Planet Drum
He’s reissuing his classic 1991 solo album, but he also talks about playing with John Mayer, Walter Cronkite and President George H.W. Bush.

December 16, 2016 10:25 AM
By Brian Ives

Q. What’s the secret to playing with another drummer?

Mickey Hart: It’s trust. It’s a certain kind of love you have to have to give yourself up to a common beat. You have to listen deep, that’s the most important thing: to listen. Deep listening. You have to try to come up with a unified sound. If you don’t really listen, you’re just beating stuff up. It won’t work. A lot of drummers can’t play with each other because they’re egocentric, or they’re not really listening and hearing what the other person is doing. Or they’re not trying to add to it and become a giant organism, to breathe together.

…I love [Grateful Dead drummer Bill] Kreutzmann, and we have a great conversation going over all these years. We made it work, it’s special. We don’t exactly know how we do it, and we never sit down and analyze it, we don’t talk about it. Ever. We just do it. We give each other signals, a wink, a nod, but we’re also telepathic. It feels great when it works.

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Drummer Mickey Jones with Dylan ’66: Restoring a Legacy

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SKF NOTE: If I were a rich man, I would certainly own and listen to the new 36-CD Bob Dylan: The 1966 Live Recordings boxed set. Bob Dylan going electric. Bob Dylan and The Band’s early collaboration — except Levon Helm. Levon had more than enough abuse from audiences during this tour’s early dates.

So we have multiple CD’s of historic music with drummer Mickey Jones with Bob Dylan, Robbie Robertson, Rick Danko, Richard Manuel, and Garth Hudson. Thank you, Houston Chronicle Entertain Writer Andrew Dansby for helping restore Mickey Jones’s historic legacy.

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Bob Dylan. 1966. The drummer from Houston
Mickey Jones and that mythical tour
By Andrew Dansby
December 15, 2016

Bob Dylan: The 1966 Live Recordings,” that enormous new boxed set, shows that the year 1966 was a big one for Dylan. In 1965, he’d issued “Bringing It All Back Home” and “Highway 61 Revisited“; in ’66, “Blonde on Blonde.” Then, when he went on the road, he counfounded audiences by playing a set of solo acoustic folk-inclined music before returning with his band to fry eyebrows with a loud, electric set.

Nestled amid the music and the mythology is Mickey Jones, a guy from Houston. The glowing reviews for the new Dylan set include references to Jones’ drumming. Pitchfork writes that Jones “galvanizes the band from April of 1966 onward, providing gun-shot snare-cracks to start songs and a dependably rolling thunder.”

It’s a glorious interlude in a curious entertainment career — that included drumming for both Dylan and Kenny Rogers….

Jones…grew up in Dallas, where he hooked up with musician Trini Lopez for four years. Jones jumped from Lopez’s band to Johnny Rivers. And that’s how he ended up at the Whiskey a Go-Go…with Bob Dylan in the audience.

“He said, ‘You’re my favorite drummer and I’d love to record with you,'” Jones recalled.

Six months later [Jones] got a call. Dylan had been playing with the musicians who would go on to become The Band. Drummer Levon Helm had to drop out of the tour, so Jones was hired as his replacement at $750 a week.

He found himself at the center of a tour that has become mythical.

Jones was in many ways an outsider on the tour, the sole member of Dylan’s band that hadn’t spent years playing with the others.

[Levon Helms’s] biography…was dismissive of Jones — “He called me a clubber….”

But the release of dozens of shows from that 1966 tour serves as a reminder….

It was, Jones said, “the greatest rock ‘n roll tour in history.”

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Smokey Dacus: When I Started Playing Professionally

SKF NOTE: This is the first audio excerpt of my phone interview with William “Smokey” Dacus over 35 years ago. Smokey Dacus was the first drummer to play in a country band. Legendary bandleader Bob Wills had the idea, in Smokey’s words, to add oomph to Wills’s fiddle band. “So he hired me,” says Smokey.

In August 2015 I published the full interview transcript. It should be available to music historians and drum historians — especially, but not exclusively, to country music historians.

Smokey went from working in bands and orchestras where everything he played was written, to Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys where nothing was written. Plus, Smokey had no role models. No other drummer was asked to do what Bob Wills asked Smokey to do. How Smokey adapted is a key piece of drumming history.

In this first audio excerpt from our phone conversation, Smokey is telling me about the moment he became a professional drummer. It happened while Smokey was in college.

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Bill Maxwell: I Used To Think Record Companies Were Crooks (1982)

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L-R Leon Russell & Bill Maxwell

SKF NOTE: Drummer/producer Bill Maxwell stopped by Modern Drummer on August 17, 1982 for a feature interview, published in August 1983Andrae Crouch, The Winans, Freddie Hubbard, Koinonia — Bill Maxwell’s work as drummer and producer is among the best. I said in my previous Bill Maxwell post — Bill had many valuable things to say about music, drumming, and life.

Here’s Bill Maxwell on drummers knowing about the music business. That was a key interest of mine. As often as possible, I asked interview questions about “the business.” Of course, the world of digital music hadn’t arrived yet. Some of the details here about record companies is dated.

But some of what Bill says holds true. Understanding the music business still makes good sense. And readers can sense in this exchange some record industry pressure spots that, once digital recording and distribution was in full swing, exploded.

Scott K Fish: How did you learn about the business end of music?

Bill Maxwell: I remember I took a course in high school on business law and business math that made sense. The first record contract I ever signed — I was about 17. I remember reading that and getting the legal jargon.

Then when I got hired at the record company three-and-a-half years ago to be Director of A&R — I had already started learning this — but, I got to go in and be privvy to where every cent goes in records.

The record business is a thing of pennies. At that time you could buy a record for $6.00. So many pennies go into that.

When you break it down to the fact that the store buys [a record] for half of retail cost, or about $3.00. Then you’ve got a [record] distributor. Now you’re talking about $2.50.

You’re talking about pennies by the time you pay for the album covers, artist royalties, promotion, operating costs of your business. I learned how every bit of it worked, how it went.

I used to think record companies were crooks, that they were all out to cheat us out of our money. But you’d be real shocked when you break it down that simply.

The only questionable area is how some companies operate in their expenses, or why their overhead’s high.

But if I had a million dollars, and I was going to invest in something, a record company would be about the last thing. It’s just not in a profit ratio.

SKF: Are [music] videos hurting records?

BM: A lot of things are. I think the first thing is that the music’s not happening. The second thing is, a lot of money’s been spent on video games. There’s a lot of addiction to that that we didn’t have before.

There’s the accessibility of movies in homes, accessibility to concerts over television. But, first and foremost is that there’s not that much new being done.

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Steve Gadd Meets Gene Krupa: ‘He Was Great’

SKF NOTE: Thank you, John Shand, for this story about Gene Krupa meeting Steve Gadd. I did not know those two great musicians had met. I remember someone noticing how often great drummers who came of age after Krupa were touched my an encounter with, a kindess from, the man who put drummers on the map.

The Sydney Morning Herald
December 8, 2016

Steve Gadd: The drummer everybody wants
by John Shand

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Gadd began rubbing shoulders with superstars early. His father regularly took him to the Ridge Crest Inn in Rochester, New York, to hear a stream of top-shelf jazz musicians. Among them was the great swing drummer Gene Krupa, with whom Gadd, still too small for a full-sized kit, played when he was about eight.

“We’d sit right next to the bandstand, so I could watch the drummers,” he recalls. “My parents took me into this place a lot, so we knew the lady that ran it, and got introduced to Gene Krupa. I’d brought my little set of drums in and we played together, and then he played my little drums. He was great.”

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