What To Do When ‘Jazz Groove #22’ Doesn’t Apply?

kennedy_seanSKF NOTE: Drummer 44Ronin, on DrumForum.org, takes issue with me where, on my Drumming Beyond Playing ‘Awesome Grooves’ post, I write: Groove is a buzz word.

44Ronin relied: Groove is not a buzz word. Groove is the sum of all parts of effective musicianship.

That point is worth discussing, so I replied to 44Ronin, asking, What are “all parts of effective musicianship”? I would like to see the list. How, and from where, does a drummer acquire these parts?

Here is the rest of what I wrote in reply to 44Ronin, who also said groove happens to be a by-word for beat :

Groove may not always be used as a buzz word. But when every third online drum video, it seems, is promising to teach drummers “Jazz Groove #22” and “How to Play a Tony Williams Groove,” well, groove is a buzz word.

Groove, you say, is another word for beat? Fair enough. Two popular drum books when I was young were Jim Chapin’s Advanced Techniques for the Modern Drummer, and George L. Stone’s Stick Control. Both books are meant to help drummers with coordination on the drumset (Chapin) and controlling drumsticks (Stone). But there were drummers who viewed Chapin’s book as a catalog of jazz drum beats (grooves?), and Stone’s book as a treasure trove of drum licks (grooves?).

Today I see video posts of alleged awesome drummers, killer drummers, grooving along note-for-note with tracks of pre-recorded songs AND drummers. I prefer to see/hear these drummers without the fallback of pre-recorded songs — especially pre-recorded drummers. Yikes! Okay, so the drummer has chops, a smidgen of dynamics, and he/she can memorize and recreate. But can they create? What do they do when Jazz Groove #22 doesn’t apply?

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If Ever Again I Have Drum Students

SKF NOTE: If ever again I have drum students I know what I will do. At least in part.

Each lesson will end with me handing the student personally selected music. It might be one of Little Walter‘s Chess records, Count Basie Live at Birdland, Taj Mahal’s The Natch’l Blues or Max Roach’s Drums Unlimited.

Sometimes the personally selected music will have no drummers. Andres Segovia. Bill Evans.

Sometimes the personally selected music will include Latin percussion, like Patato, Conga Kings, and Jerry Gonzalez.

And sometimes the personally selected music will include electronics like Bill Laswell and Jeff Oster.

What all the personally selected music will have in common?

1. It is worth listening to.

2. I will give it to the student with no comment other than, “Here. Listen to this before your next lesson. We can talk about it then.”

scottkfish_drumsticks3. At the next lesson if the student wants to talk about what he or she has heard – we’ll do that. If they don’t want to talk about it – that’s fine.

Of course, I will like it if every student loves every piece of personally selected music I give them. But when a student says, “That was awful”? That’s okay. If they hate it today — who is to say they won’t love it up the road?

The most important part of the lesson is: the student will have heard lots of music he or she probably will never hear anywhere else.

If ever again I have drum students.

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Barry Keane: Playing What’s Right for the Songs


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SKF NOTE: I always enjoy speaking with Barry Keane. Barry and I first met in 1980 or 1981 when I interviewed him for the August-September 1981 Modern Drummer. We spoke about Barry’s experience as a studio drummer, with Anne Murray and others. And we spoke about Barry’s work as percussion orchestrator with Gordon Lightfoot — which I first witnessed in concert at Saratoga Performing Arts Center in New York.

Two days ago, April 12, I was glad to say yes to Barry’s invitation to An Evening with Gordon Lightfoot at Collins Center for the Arts in Orono, Maine. Mr. Lightfoot is one of the major singer-songwriters — certainly of my generation, and likely for all time. And the band I heard two days ago, except for guitarist Carter Lancaster, are the same musicians I heard in 1980-81.

Barry is playing the same drumset he had in ’80-’81. We have a long-running joke that the drumheads are the same too. But the point is: Barry’s drums sound great. And he, along with Gordon and the rest of the band, create one sound that can only happen, I suppose, when the same musicians have been together between 40-50 years.

Sitting in the audience I am listening to each song as one sound made up of many parts. I can also shift my attention to the sound of keyboard player Mike Heffernan, or Rick Haynes’s solid bass, or to Barry Keane’s brushes, triangles, woodblocks, or the wake-up tom-tom fills of The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald.

The audience is there to hear Gordon Lightfoot and his songs. And the bandmembers are excellent at creating musical parts for themselves that also perfectly fit Lightfoot’s songs.

My friend, Jason Carey, is with me two nights ago. He is surprised Barry leaves so much space in his drumming. After the show, Jason asks Barry if he’s ever tempted to play more. Before Jason finishes is question, Barry is shaking his head saying, “No. No. Because that wouldn’t be right for the songs.”

Here, then, is my 1981 interview with Barry. He is now touring parts of the States with Gordon Lightfoot. If you have a chance to go — go! You will hear great songs, great musicianship, and get a crash course in how a band sounds as a world-class team.

[SKF NOTE: 6/17/17 – Barry Keane’s full interview is now available on MD‘s Archive Page.]

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Happy Birthday: My Pivotal Moments with Steve Gadd

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Steve Gadd circa 1978

SKF NOTE: A belated happy birthday to Steve Gadd. Paraphrasing bassist Ron Carter when asked how Elvin Jones changed drumming: Listen to drummers before Steve Gadd hit the scene and listen to drummers after.

There are many excellent pop and jazz recordings and videos of Steve Gadd’s drumming. The pivotal Steve Gadd cuts in my life — and the reasons why — are as follows:

Chuck Mangione St. Thomas (1972): Loads of musical (key word: musical) chops from Steve Gadd on a four-piece drumset. Plus a heavy dose of What the heck is he playing? which is always fun.

Bob James Night on Bald Mountain (1974): I was living in Davenport, Iowa, working for the first time as a full-time drummer when I bought Bob James’s One album. Steve Gadd’s playing on Bald Mountain scared me, letting me know I still had much to learn.

Mike Mainieri Love Play (1974): Nice overall album. Steve Gadd and the rest of the band build slowly, tastefully over nine minutes to a killer crescendo. Still a great song, IMO. Oh, and putting this post together this morning, hearing this song for the first time in a long time, I said, “Ah ha! So that’s where that little riff I whistle and hum all the time comes from.”

Joe Cocker Catfish (1976): Steve Gadd as minimalist, playing exactly the right sounds — and no more. A perfect musical interpretation. And it shows Steve — with tons of technique — has the musical maturity to use it only when necessary.

Again, Happy Birthday, Dr. Gadd.

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Roy Haynes: Bird Would Say Cool Your Volume

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SKF NOTE: This dialogue is from my interview with Roy Haynes at his home on November 15, 1978. According to my notes “It was raining, traffic was heavy, a chilly…evening, and I was nervous about meeting him. We had spoken on the phone a few times.

The week before [this interview] I saw Roy perform with the bassist and guitarist from his Hip Ensemble at Sonny’s Place, a small Long Island jazz club in Seaford, NY. The trio was hot. The music ran the gamut of emotions and it was always swinging. Roy Haynes is both amazing to watch and to listen to. He sat behind a set of Smokey Vistalite Ludwig drums, eyes closed in relaxed concentration, playing with that precise, crisp sound that earned him the nickname Snap, Crackle, Pop.

I asked Roy at one point if Charlie “Bird” Parker was much of an influence on Roy’s drumming. Here is Roy’s answer.

Roy Haynes: Bird never told me too much. I would think it all worked in.

I remember one time Bird telling me…. Any time we’d go into a new place we hadn’t worked before — like a hall or a club — he would say always just cool it as far as your volume is concerned. Because you don’t know what the place is going to sound like.

I still use that today with my group. I tell the guys, just feel it out first and then we’ll get involved as we go.

It’s fashionable today to go in a place and start blasting right away. Because a lot of people want to hear that. They figure if it doesn’t have enough volume it’s not happening. That there’s no energy involved. You dig?

But that’s the only thing I remember Bird telling me as  far as my playing.

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